I wonder if this is THE Bob Dill?
http://www.sailingsource.com/ice/articl ... rescue.htm
Self Rescue
Moderator: MK
A former water rescue swimmer, I used to train, and train others, how to get out of these situations...
***Disclaimer: Ice is never safe to walk or recreate on...play safe, stay off the ice. The following are merely personal opinions based on my training and experience.***
...being said.......if I could add a my thoughts on self-rescue without picks...
First, swim to the opposite side of where you made your entry (as you've already established the ice thickness sucks there).
Like Bob said, use Frog-kicks to propel your torso out of the hole. While doing so, use your forearms to help you creep out of there. ***ALWAYS REMAIN FLAT/PRONE ON THE ICE*** Propping yourself up on hands and knees will, in 9 out of 10 cases, cause you to fall through again.
Once out of the water, roll about 10-15 yrds away from the area. I know it looks ridiculous, but there's a good chance you're not in a safe area.
Finally, crawl hands and knees to a shallow-water and/or area of thicker ice....then boogey to warmth. Hypothermia creeps up pretty darn quick.
Final comments:
You'll be friggen exhausted when you're out, no matter what level your physical conditioning is. Don't take a breather when you're out. Boogey boogey boogey to warmth. Change into dry clothes and warm up. Call 911 whether if you're a victim or not.
(...and off the soapbox I go
....)
Take care and see ya'll out in the snow!!!!!
~ BMR
***Disclaimer: Ice is never safe to walk or recreate on...play safe, stay off the ice. The following are merely personal opinions based on my training and experience.***
...being said.......if I could add a my thoughts on self-rescue without picks...
First, swim to the opposite side of where you made your entry (as you've already established the ice thickness sucks there).
Like Bob said, use Frog-kicks to propel your torso out of the hole. While doing so, use your forearms to help you creep out of there. ***ALWAYS REMAIN FLAT/PRONE ON THE ICE*** Propping yourself up on hands and knees will, in 9 out of 10 cases, cause you to fall through again.
Once out of the water, roll about 10-15 yrds away from the area. I know it looks ridiculous, but there's a good chance you're not in a safe area.
Finally, crawl hands and knees to a shallow-water and/or area of thicker ice....then boogey to warmth. Hypothermia creeps up pretty darn quick.
Final comments:
You'll be friggen exhausted when you're out, no matter what level your physical conditioning is. Don't take a breather when you're out. Boogey boogey boogey to warmth. Change into dry clothes and warm up. Call 911 whether if you're a victim or not.
(...and off the soapbox I go
....)Take care and see ya'll out in the snow!!!!!
~ BMR
Have kite, will travel.
Re: Self Rescue
ALL YOUR BOB ARE BELONG TO USBSMITH wrote:I wonder if this is THE Bob Dill?
http://www.sailingsource.com/ice/articl ... rescue.htm
<img src = "http://www.downhaul.com/windsurf/031028/images/bob.jpg">
http://www.subgenius.com/
Where's "The Beave"?
Gee Wally, I think that dude looks like Ward Cleaver!! He must have start-
ed building boards, after June cut him off. I think he sponsored Eddy Haskel as a team rider. Larry was crushed 'cause he wasn't considered cool enough to rep the product, though his skills on the water were vastly superior.
ed building boards, after June cut him off. I think he sponsored Eddy Haskel as a team rider. Larry was crushed 'cause he wasn't considered cool enough to rep the product, though his skills on the water were vastly superior.
I just had to address the self-rescue issue. As a long time snowmobiler, I see the information on how to get yourself out of the lake if you've broken through several times every season... I am passing on the info that the DNR posts for ice safety:
Try not to panic. Instead, remain calm and turn toward the direction you came from. (Your point of entry is the safest area to return to - you know where the ice QUIT being safe). Place your hands and arms on the unbroken surface of the ice (here's where the ice picks come in handy.) Work forward on the ice by kicking your feet. If the ice breaks, maintain your position and slide forward again. Once you are lying on the ice, don't stand. Instead, roll away from the hole. That spreads out your weight until you are on solid ice. This sounds much easier than it really is to do.
The best advice is don't put yourself into needless danger by venturing out too soon or too late in the season. No angler, no matter how much of a fishing enthusiast, would want to die for a crappie. (OK - this is from the DNR - but it applies to all of us as well....TOO thin of ice just isn't worth it!
I hope that none of us every have to use these rescue techniques - but in the small amount of time that you have to escape in the cold water - trial and error of the ice thichness is not an option!
I wish all of us a fun and safe winter season. Carol Bucko
Try not to panic. Instead, remain calm and turn toward the direction you came from. (Your point of entry is the safest area to return to - you know where the ice QUIT being safe). Place your hands and arms on the unbroken surface of the ice (here's where the ice picks come in handy.) Work forward on the ice by kicking your feet. If the ice breaks, maintain your position and slide forward again. Once you are lying on the ice, don't stand. Instead, roll away from the hole. That spreads out your weight until you are on solid ice. This sounds much easier than it really is to do.
The best advice is don't put yourself into needless danger by venturing out too soon or too late in the season. No angler, no matter how much of a fishing enthusiast, would want to die for a crappie. (OK - this is from the DNR - but it applies to all of us as well....TOO thin of ice just isn't worth it!
I hope that none of us every have to use these rescue techniques - but in the small amount of time that you have to escape in the cold water - trial and error of the ice thichness is not an option!
I wish all of us a fun and safe winter season. Carol Bucko
Snowlover - but I sure like windsurfing!