Death Spiral for Christmas on Tonka - accident report

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Tom L
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Death Spiral for Christmas on Tonka - accident report

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For Christmas, Santa gave me a pretty scary death spiral. I was out on Carman Bay at sunset on the 25th. Rigged a 14m T2. Wind came up pretty fast and gusty and I was a little overpowered, within about 15 minutes of launching. It was around 4:45pm. The size of the kite made everything worse, but it is the size I would normally rig in 15-25mph on water, maybe I should have gone smaller for snow. The wind happened to be at the top of the scale though. Very hard to see my white lines at that time of day in snow, which contributed to my accident.

So here is the scenario: Going very fast to port I do a swooping downwind tack to starboard. I go downwind way too fast in the turn, and the T2 loses lift, and starts to fall out of the sky on its back. I grab a yard of the upper outside/rear line, and recover the kite just before it hits ground and it relaunches nicely but very powered up in the gusty wind. Now the s*&t hits the fan. When the kite was falling the wing tip closest to me must have had a very, very slack rear line, this line must have briefly dragged on the snow and my downwind ski went over and through the line set. (another way to think of it is, my left leg has now gone through the bar). When the recovered kite launches I am immediately swept off my feet, and begin getting dragged by my left ski and boot by a fully powered, looping, T2 in wind gusting to 25mph.

The left leader line is wrapped around my ski, boot and also seems to be tangled in the boot buckles. One side of the is bar jammed up against my ski boot After about 3 – 5 loops I pull the SS safety, which as I suspected had no effect. I had no control and felt very helpless at this point. I tried grabbing and pulling in the other leader to balance the lines, and thought I was going to be able get the kite to crash and stay but I couldn’t do it. Everything is very hard to reach from my position and also wearing a seat harness further limits my ability to reach anything. The combination of the looping kite and snow drifts I’m flying over, feels like I’m being dragged by a bucking bronco. I was trying to release the binding on my left ski, but it ended up coming off on it own. I was scrambling, trying to untangle the leader line from boot buckles but eventually the line came off my boot on its own, and I did end up semi-flagging the kite at that point. From looking at a map I guess I was dragged about ¼ mile or more before it ended, and I was about 600 ft from shore at that point. From unwinding my bar I figure my kite looped 40 - 50 times.

Since the kite was not looping high in the air I was thinking about riding it out till the kite hit the trees on the approaching shore, but the death spiral ended mercifully on its own. There was one large property downwind where I could have possibly been dragged into the yard or the house as there were no trees on the shoreline. Nothing I did ended this spiral, I was completely out of control and helpless. Not a good scenario. I was not thinking about getting my knife, I was trying to untangle. I would say that was poor training/thinking on my part.


After Thoughts:
  • If this had happened in the water I can see how drowning would be very easy. It would be much less likely to be dragged by your feet in the water but it does happen. I think years ago Coach was dragged by one leg on Waconia. In this situation large bodies of water should be considered MORE dangerous, and a tree lined shore might be your best friend. Even in a death spiral in a better body position, you might want to run through your safety procedures in your mind. Be prepared. Train yourself mentally. If this happened out on Mille Lacs you could be dragged for miles.
  • Consider wearing a knife on your helmet. I have one mounted on my water helmet. I will be mounting one on my winter helmet as soon as I get another knife, or just the holster. (my son asked me last week “Dad why don’t you have a knife on that helmet”, and I said it would not be dangerous enough to need one in the winter. Boy, was I wrong. The one I wear on my waist was not very reachable. My right side was being dragged through the snow pretty bad at the time.
  • SlingShot white line sets, or any white ones for that matter, are a hazard in the winter. I think if I had colored lines I might have noticed what was happening, even in my peripheral vision. At dusk white lines are invisible. Why SS sticks with the white lines I don’t know. Tighe, maybe you can enlighten them.
  • Watch or be cognizant of where your lines are in fast conditions. Not much of an issue on a snowboard or water, but very easy to outrun your equipment on skis. Especially on hard crust.
  • I hate to think about what would happen if one of our kids got caught in a death spiral like this, or any aged beginner. I have an 8 yr old now using a 5m Waroo. On water it could be a tragedy. Not sure what to do about this. In some situations a knife might be the only way out, and that’s serious business for a child. You are under a lot of stress when in the midst of a death spiral. Chase equipment might be the best option when kids are involved, ATV or a Jet ski.

I thought I should share this accident report so others might benefit. I was uninjured, and it ended without incident. But I consider myself lucky. It was very intense while it was happening. If it ever happens on water this was my practice session. I think in the water I’d go for knife right away, it’s not worth screwing around. In water you’d be exhausted every quickly

I'm not going to win any fashion awards. But who cares. Lens makes the knife look bigger than real life. Knife is in a hand position ready for business. If right hand is incapacitated, I can still reach with left.
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Glad your o.k. Tom.
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WOW, Your ordeal should be a wake-up call for all of us. As careful as you are, Tom, you're the last person I would expect to get in trouble. Thank God you're O.K! Where did those knives come from? I have been complacent with the one on my waist, but you proved that wrong. I hope everyone takes measures to not end up a statistic. Thanks for the heads up. I think Ozone & Best both sell colored line sets. I know MW Mtn. & Scuba Cntr. have yellow & orange q-line by the yard or spool. What about " grenade-pin" style releases on all lines? Teflon Socks?
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Glad your OK Tom :)

Having extreme fun can be like drinking and driving: sooner or later, there gonna be a hell of a crash. :shock:

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Jerry, you were the first person I know to mount a knife on your helmet, years ago. Kudos to your creativity!!

Jim, a " grenade-pin" release built in to the bar ends, great idea, I was thinking the same thing. I briefly did try to slide my foot out of my boot!!! Teflon socks might have worked.

Zeagle Line Cutter - I purchased mine at http://www.scubatoys.com $17

Rick Iossi, the vernerable king of saftey, just had a bad accident landing a Cabbie IDS. It seems like the more experienced you are the more you become complacent about the mundane. Many times it has been the experinced kiters that have the bad accidents. I also think the whole bow/spiral equation needs some safety research.
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Post by steveb »

Tom, merry christmas.....I'm glad you're OK.

Wingtip wraps are ugly.I think the idea of a grenade pin release is a good one, but like all these things it would require being able to reach it, it seems to me in most ugly powered spiral wrecks we all spend most our time trying not to drown, or injure ourselves as we drag across the surface. Once the spirals done 3 or 4 loops very little works except a knife, like you I don't have one to hand for snowkiting.Thanks for the heads up I need to get one.

Do you think there's anything you could have done ( other than a tighter turn) which would have stopped it happening, not going for a quick relaunch etc.?
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Steve,
I think if I had noticed that I was skiing over one line, I would have let the kite continue to fall, and grabbed the center lines after hitting the ground. This might keep the kite on it's back until I could get the rear line off my boot & ski.

Another clue might be that the bar float on that side of the bar might be drooping quite a bit, and that would be easy to notice in your periphreal vision if you were on the look out for it. Not sure if it would droop a lot on a 2/1 bar though. Have to check that out.
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Tom, I'm really glad you are o.k. Thanks for sharing your story.

There is always so much looking back. The knife sounds like a really good idea, and I agree with the complacency point.

The overall lesson that I think doesn't get mentioned enough is that slack lines mean trouble. I've noticed that in the water, on the ice/snow, whatever.

It's seems sort of counter-intuitive at the time (they go slack), because there isn't any tension at that moment, but it is really like the eye of the storm. The only good thing is that you have a few seconds to react. Whenever my lines go really slack, I immediately start to think about bailing out - It's rarely good after that happens. :(

Just a thought.
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Seasons greetings fellow kiters:
Tom, thanks for sharing your story. I am glad you are OK. I like learning from other peoples hard lessons. Your story may save someones life. Last summer at the gathering. A kiter with allot more skill and experiance than me. Got into a death spiral that could have ended real bad. Someone on the beach saved him by jumping on the kite. The next day I ordered two hook knives for each side of my harness. So if one arm is damaged or wrapped I could use the other. Now I may get one for my helmet. Glad you are OK.
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Tom, just read your story and want to thank you for the heads-up. I was with Tighe and the gang as SPI in November and noticed several kite-knives on helmets but didn't think they would ever be needed. Ordered one from Scuba Toys immediately after reading your post. Glad everything turned out OK.

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Tom, I'm so glad you're OK! Sounds eerily similar to my kitemare of just over 1 year ago. I was on water, but luckily I was headed to shore and trees. Also, Steve was there in the shallows and he ended up catching my kite before the trees did (while flying his kite.... my hero!). Dragged on your side, releases didn't work (I'd pulled both). I was lucky in that my kite took a brief break after each spiral so it let me surface for air. I gotta tell ya, kiting hasn't really been the same for me since then. :(
I hope the kite companies do come up with more release options. I've often thought it would be great if you could release the lines at one or both sides of the bar, either to flag or get totally rid of the kite.

Thanks for the reminder.......I definitely get a false sense of security being on the ice rather than in the water.
Happy holidays! :roll:
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Wow Tom that sounds scary.

I too have that same knife attached to my water helmet and will be doing the same on my winter helmet. Not sure if I was getting dragged by my leg if I would be able to pull myself up to the line and cut it.

While I think colored lines may have reduced the chance of this slightly, I don't think it would prevent it from happening. I think we always need to assume that poop happens and to have as many ways to remedy the situation the better. Knives, Quick Releases, etc. are all great ideas.

I think there are also techniques that we can all improve upon that reduce the chances of this happening, such as John's suggestion to always keep the lines tight, etc.

No matter what one of the best things you can do, is to give yourself a good sized buffer zone downwind, so that if something does happen you'll have the time needed to get to your knife, or QR. Things happen fast so give yourself plenty of room..

The bufferzone speech is one I give over and over in lessons, then we show up to the lake and everyone is rigging and riding right along the shore. We gotta remember we're all roll models out there. Less experienced riders usually will follow what everyone else is doing. Let's give a good example.

Thanks for sharing Tom. So glad it ended with minimal injury.
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Post by Barry P »

Tom, glad to hear you are alright. Thanks for sharing.

I just ordered two knives. One for each of my helmets. The one in my DaKine harness is nearly impossible to get out just standing on shore when I'm not in trouble.

On the subject of safety and role modeling... I love drolling over my copies of Kiteboarding, but in over 65 awesome photos in the January issue only 10 pictured a kiter using anything related to safety. Just goes to show that if you are actually good you don't need to be bothered with that safety stuff. In the 10, I saw one with a vest and nine with helmets (five on snowboards) in use. Even in pictures intended to be instructional - zero showed instructors or students that had donned anything related to safety.
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Post by Tom L »

For anyone gluing the holster to their helmet like I did, I used "GOOP", in the marine version which seems to stick like hell. Takes a while to set though. I think I used a spring clamp to hold it. Available at True Value.

One thing to watch out for. If you do the self drift launch method with the kite sitting on your head while you unwind the bar, and walk backwards. If you are using a bridled kite, it can get snagged on the knife when you take the kite off.
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Post by steveb »

I must confess having a line catcher on my head is something I've not liked the idea of.
Has anyone tried just having a knife in a sheaf on your forearm, can anyone think why it wouldn't be a good idea. I think the reality is no where's perfect. Unless it's one on both forearms, both calves, front, back, head and one held in your teeth.
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Both Katie and I tried gluing ours to our helmets (same knife) with Mighty Putty and after time they pulled off when we tested the knife. I screwed my case to the helmet. Maybe that Goop stuff works better. As with all safety equipment, test often.
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PC-7 or PC-11
It's the same adhesive that the DOT uses to glue reflectors on cement...
Back in the day, we've used it to glue artificial rock climbing holds onto the under side of bridges and their supports to make climbing walls. There's holds glued onto a wall that I put up when I was 17 years old, they're still there... I'm 35. Do the math.

Make sure to take a little sandpaper to your helmet, scuff it a little.

Hardware stores sell the stuff, $12.00 or so.

Just don't let your kids near the stuff. Your "Worlds Greatest Dad" coffee mug will never come off the table again.


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