Calhoun?

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nickfastswim
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Calhoun?

Post by nickfastswim »

So now that summer is concluding, kiters are allowed on Calhoun right?
I lived at home during the summer and so the closest big lake was WB but now I am back at the UofM for school the nearest lake is Calhoun. I don't have a car so I am thinking of biking out with all my gear after classes whenever there is sufficient wind. Is it worth kiteboarding on this smaller lake in the city?

I have also been scouting out large fields to try landboarding, but so far no success of finding anything close to campus... :(
These last few weeks, every time I looked out the window and saw the trees swaying I would get restless. Just want to get out and play with the wind!
-Nick
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Post by JRN »

NICK, I am reluctant to raise this controversy again, but...here goes: The concern is not so much for the traffic that is ON the water, but for the people who are on the shores, and jogging paths around Calhoun. The fear being that during an episode of kitemarish dimensions, innocent bystanders could be injured, however unintentionally, by one of us. Being at such a cental & popular location, the media and law enforcement would undoubtedly get involved, and presumably this would lead to banning of kiting there, and throughout the region. I would urge you to reconsider. U of M had a kiting club. There are LOTS of other kiters in Uptown, and with a little planning and cooperation, I'm sure you could catch a ride. Have you considered Paddle Boarding? (just kidding) It IS a premier windsurfing location, and winter kiting is less of an issue on that pond.
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Re: Calhoun?

Post by Tighe »

Extremely well said Jim
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Post by MK »

I agree. Are you running for office Jim? Stated with such diplomacy intertwined with a dash of humor. Here here Jim!
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Post by Lee_Uptown »

Hey Nick, totally agree with Jim... I live in Uptown and I'm a graduate student at the U. I totally understand how you feel about riding somewhere close by. Unfortunately Calhoun is ultra sketch for winds and it is just too risky for us kiters and pedestrians. What's your schedule like this semester? We can meet up for lunch and see if we can carpool and catch a ride somewhere else sometime. Anyway, my email is: leexx638@umn.edu I'm Eu Han and we've met few times at WBL.

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Post by Prof Marc »

Nick,

There are at least three of us at U. of M.: Denis, Eu Han, and myself. (Given the size of the school, there are probably dozens more kiters, but these are the people I know.)

From campus, it's about 45 minutes to Waconia. Email any of us when the wind is up; we should abandon our scholarly pursuits and drive out.

My email is mriedel@umn.edu. My cell is (612) 275-9878

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Post by smrsco »

Hey Nick-

I live pretty close to campus (NE Mpls) so you could definitely catch a ride with me too.

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Nathan B
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Re: Calhoun?

Post by Nathan B »

there is No Official law against kiteboarding on lake Calhoun. Lakawa does not own the right to to decide who kites where. cause if so lakawa needs to stop teaching and promoting and bringing beginners to Inner city lakes and taking them there.
Nick I think you need to think about all your self rescue procedures and go over all scenarios that could happen. You have to know the lake and what wind directions with the lake you just cant ride there on anywind direction. goes with any spot. calhoun is a very advanced spot to ride make sure you are dialed in all aspects. and cannot be rode on every wind direction only a north`ish wind or southeast.
This brings up the whole issue with the post I made that blew out of context: http://www.lakawa.com/lakawa-chat-f1/ki ... %20calhoun
Other lakes like Waconia , White Bear Lake and Medicine Lake are at risk of loosing access for kiteboarding! I would not worry so much about people kiteboarding lake Calhoun.
We need to educate the community and public correctly on what it takes to kiteboard here and whats it all about and not just ban a spot..
There is a walking path right around Medicine lake on the east where we kite and a few weeks I had to Tell Mike of lakawa to get back away from shore with his students. that is the first time I have had to vocally self police a spot. There is a walking path with lots of people and public beach strait down wind, myself and other riders trying to get out and could not cause they were right on shore slamming the kite in front of the shore where a lady had to move cause she was scared of the kite. later on when in shore one of lakawa students was flying a trainer kite On shore right over the playground with kids and families playing on it and they crashed kite and local Kim and I were standing there and Kim told them probalbly not the best idea.
Now the DNR has complained along with the fishing clubs and gen. public about beginners and lakawa teaching at waconia and Medicine lake and in the midst of summer with Medicine lake and all the boat traffic it is very unsafe. and setting a bad example.
Calhoun is No different than any other inner city lake and you have to look at each location and know what works and what does not. Calhoun is very safe to ride on a north-ish wind and is no different than the launch at Medicine lake there is probably more people walking around the path at Medicine, the path at calhoun does not even come close to the lake at the south end of calhoun.
I dont know how everyone on here would feel if you could not Kite at Waconia, White Bear or Medicine but I would be very disappointed lets quit worrying about if people kite at calhoun and start self policing your local spot, lets be pro active and help out thats all you can do. cannot remember who all was at waconia on tuesday in the high winds but a great group of guys to help out where needed and land and launch people properly.
anyone can kite where ever they want its your responsibility as a rider to know what you can and cant do or what your limits are or if you are properly trained enough, and what type of location works for you as a rider to ride in.
Just heard last week that some one was kiting on Nakomis ... should we ban that also. Lets properly educate what it takes to kiteboard in these locations and who can and cannot ride there. other wise we are all going to be told not to kite in the cities, calhoun is no different than any other lake within the city limits each lake is different and infact Cal is safer than waconia on certain wind directions.
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Very well said Nathan!
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Re: Calhoun?

Post by MK »

The forum is intended to share the stoke of sport. It isn't intended to be law, just helpful.

I don't wish to provide a dramatic thread for myself or the audience. Most recent conversations I've attempted with Nathan become oppositional and agressive. I have no interest in being combative so I disengage and walk away. As a shared interest in the safety of this sport please consider reviewing the link Nathan provided. You will find volunteers working on this. Anyone can contribute.

You have always been allowed to voice yourself without consequence on this forum while I have moderated. I do ask to be mindful there are some young viewers to consider and do your best to be respectful of each other. We have a bright audience so make it a point to get your facts right for minimal confusion or conflict.

Looks like light wind tomorrow with potential for an afternoon ride.
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Post by Nathan B »

Mike. Kelly who is a local and lives at Medicine lake was there and I spoke with him about it. know one was aggressive or oppositional. if you want people to be respectful do not lie and try and slander someone. you have never attempted a convo with me! Kim and I were standing right there and yes you did walk away but its cause you cannot handle confrontation, sorry but if people are doing stupid things at our local beach I am going to speak up doesnt matter if you are the owner of Lakawa quit trying to cover up your negligence and inconsideration for our public, our wind community and access of this sport. Again the DNR has complained about Lakawa teaching and bringing beginners to lake waconia, medicine lake and white bear lake. These are our local access for proficient riders.

thanks for the call Mike, obviously this is a issue no one will ever see eye to eye on, I am going to leave it alone and just join the party so I will now be moving my practice to the twin cities instead of lake mille lakes(where people should learn).

see you on the water
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Post by Tighe »

A little respect goes a long way Nathan.

It's one thing to have an opinion and to voice it. It's also completely appropriate to have concerns about something someone is doing. How you choose to voice both of those, in my opinion Nathan, could use some work.

Your manner of addressing these issues is extremely disrespectful.

We've all heard your opinion about riding Calhoun. You bring it up every six month or so. It's not shared by many thank god and the majority of the community share another consensus. You're free to state it all you want. Unfortunately your post about Calhoun was 10% Calhoun, 90% soapboxing on the coattails of a hot topic.

If you have concerns about something someone is doing, whether it be another rider or an instructor, wouldn't it be more beneficial to have a positive discussion about it face to face? If you feel you are aware of something they are not, offer what you know. Maybe there will be some agreement, maybe not. You cannot force anyone to do anything, your challenge then is to develop a level of influence. Influence only comes through respect.

If you want to have any influence on this community Nathan, which seems to be a burning desire of yours, you might consider your actions a bit more. Less criticism and more positive effort. Put some focus into all the things you have talked about doing for the last half a decade. Do something positive for the community. Your beach cleanup was a good start. It's always way easier to criticize the actions of others than to make an attempt to do it yourself, but please try.

Please also remember that this great community forum is provided by a business for free. I don't think gratitude is expected, though I would think being respectful is the least we could do.
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Re: Calhoun?

Post by Nathan B »

Yes it does Tighe.

I disagree, of course .. it is disrespectful to you and lakawa because of your past relations.

I do consider my actions I think you mean my words and the way I talk on this forum... and when I see someone acting dangerous or kitemares going on at our local beaches I am going to say something.

My whole issue with Calhoun is not that I want to ride there or teach there or think that we should its the complete opposite but If Lakawa is going to be the governing voice and body for our kite community then they better start thinking about there actions and how they are promoting and policing kiteboarding in our city. there is no law against kiting on Calhoun same with Nakomis or Medicine lake.

So your saying that this is a business and not a community forum?

rock on with your bad self Tighe , I love how you always try to ridicule me to the public. non the less I do not care what YOUR view is on me. its not about me this is about our community as a whole and properly educating them on kiteboarding.

its windy time to ride!
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Re: Calhoun?

Post by roc »

As a sailor/kiter on Medicine and being referenced in this thread, I strongly support the effort Mike and other instructors make to keep the sport safe. The worst case scenario is a newbie getting a kite, not having an instuctor available/affordable and heading to a crowded beach. Whenever I'm approached about helping someone learn the sport, I tell them it's the only sport I've taken multiple lessons because of the inherit dangers, and direct them to an instructor. I've heard many stories of close calls from pre-instructor era kiting, the best we can do is to direct potential kiters to certified instructors. When we encounter newbies or experienced kiters exhibiting risky behavior, let's be informative and positive.
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Re: Calhoun?

Post by David Tomassen »

Man, just read this.......

Calhoun is a lake, and just cause it is, it does not mean it "makes sense" to ride on it.

Regardless of what was said in the past, or the history of it........the only reason I would think someone wants to kite there is to be seen and show off, but that is my personal opinion. I have yet to see a kiter in Gucci sunglasses with a dog on their board.

In addition, the lake is gross, has tons of weeds, beginner sail boaters (who are out when it is windy), people walking around the shore (LOTS of peeps), and you only get a third of the lake when it is windy due to the tree cover around it.

If you get stuck on this lake in a wind shift, where would you be to pull your gear under control.....a dense canopy of trees overhanging the water on the west side, a 4 foot retaining wall on the north side with a railing (8 feet, that will be fun), the east side.....oops retaining wall too (half with railing). The south, contains so much milfoil that you would be in a struggle and possibly not even be able to manage your kite and lines.

Look at the components and leave that place alone for 5 months out of the year. It is NOT CONDUCIVE FOR KITEBOARDING, just based on the logistical issues mentioned above. Be happy you have it available to you in the winter time.

I read the post above, and whatever hell bent rage, gouging, or stabbing going on is completely 7th grade. It looks bad on the forum, it is not kind to slam others, and read something before you send it! Really the comparison of lakes has so many factors that do not cross apply.

You wanna compare teaching on Waconia and Medicine Lake to Calhoun? Having discussions about safety?

Allow me to identify the difference, Calhoun does not allow motorized watercrafts. You cannot have a jet ski, you cannot have a boat. Medicine Lake and Waconia allow for watercrafts which are motorized. Which means you can quickly respond, engage, and change a situation if something was to happen. That is why these watercrafts are used on Jeddy Island in washington, south padre texas, and other popular kiting areas.

So unless you want to teach a lesson on Calhoun from a canoe or a paddle board with a trolling motor on it have a great time. I am sure the response time to an emergency will be nothing short of zero.

You want more business, go to Calhoun with a booth and hand out fliers.
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